Jeremy: Hey got an hour to spend spinning your tires?
Kevin: I’m not sure the old Saturn can spin tires for an hour. Oh, are you talking about The Walking Dead?
Jeremy: I enjoyed the episode. I would have enjoyed it more as a season opener not the second to last episode of the season.
Kevin: I hadn’t thought of the episode that way, but it is certainly a valid criticism. I thought of it more as the episode that pounded into your head that in short order Rick is going to be proven right.
Jeremy: He hasn’t been wrong in a long time. His spiral surpasses Shane’s outlook now but he isn’t wrong. The final scene stood out the most because it felt like something that should happen before the season ends. The rest felt like occurrences and pieces of plot for a seasons worth of storytelling. Carol would be the other exception.
Kevin: I’m not sure why I hadn’t thought of the Shane comparisons myself. Maybe it’s because I’m hoping Jessie stops wearing frumpy clothes when Pete gets knocked off and I couldn’t toss Lori to the zombies quick enough. What a shit stirrer Carol is.
Jeremy: I do find the “kill the abuser” jump in logic a bit extreme. it helps Ricks raging hard on obviously but damn. But don’t disagree, kill the dummy. The logic and survival argument though is interesting. He is a piece of garbage but the only doctor. How much do you put up with? This isn’t a normal existence so how far do the rules of survival go?
Kevin: If you actually believe civilization is possible again, then you need to keep the doctor around. But honestly, doctors are pretty useless in the scheme of things. Other than a successful amputation of Hershel, what has a surgeon done? The doctor in the Atlanta hospital helped but it was mostly from damage his own people did.
Jeremy: I am assuming Pete is the surgeon that was supposedly goign to be able to help Noah with his limp? If so, he must have a sweet set up. Seeing how seemingly anyone who gets hurt would get left behind he wouldn’t have much to do injurywise. They havent brought anyone else in since they have been there, whcih timeframe please? so what does he actually do?
Kevin: Ha. Another point I hadn’t thought of. Alexandria did admit to not bringing in many people and they haven’t even given you any idea of how many people are in town. If the fight between Rick & Pete was any indication, there’s a dozen people living there.
Jeremy: Right, people came out to watch, which apparently doesn’t change, but there were no adults it seemed.The wife and the child are the only ones trying to break it up. At least Carl just got pushed back but Jessie got the slap. Not that I believe it will be explored but the other townspeople have to have an opinion of it, which could lead to a split on Deanna’s leadership.
She is harboring an abuser. Rick’s bloody faced dissection of Alexandria won’t win anyone over though.
Kevin: Deanna would certainly get more of the votes but in the back of her mind, she knows she brought Rick & co. in because of the excommunicated people are starting to cause a lot of problems. Even if Daryl & Aaron are the only people to really know about it by the end of the episode. Rick’s not going about things well, but again, he’s right. Plus, if he were thinking with his big head instead of his little head, he’d be asking Deanna more about those excommunicated or she’d offer that information up so that he doesn’t go over board like he’s doing.
Jeremy: Yeah thinking with your dick always leads to problems. I understand she is the first clean woman you have seen in two years but damn son, Act like you have been in one before. I believe the exiled people are just that to him. Once they were kicked out they were dead essentially. But asking why and who would be a big issue talking point.
Kevin: Deanna, for all of the transparency that she wants, is hoarding a lot of info on the doctor and the exiles. I don’t think anyone other than Daryl has the sense to put the pieces together. Carol is more worried about someone being stuck in her old situation, we’ve covered Rick enough and Glenn is too pissed at Nicholas to be thinking straight.
Jeremy: Glenn is justified though. Aiden was a goner despite the, trying. Noah was a casualty of Nicholas being a panicky pete. Glenn’s spur of moment plan may have been flawed but dude gave him four seconds to get it going. Glenn though is absolutely correct. Walls protecting the weak. So when they get outside they have no idea what to do.
Kevin: I don’t think Glenn’s plan was going to work but Nicholas is absolutely a panicky pete who wants to do anything to be comfortable and stay behind the walls. For some reason though, he has enough stupidity to think he’s tough enough to handle it. The amount of people lost on your watch should be something of an indicator, Nick.
Jeremy: Would think it would be an indicator for Deanna. What you make of her line saying she sees everything? makes me think there is more going on with her after all.
Kevin: Deanna is used to working some late nights. I’m guessing she knows about the Carol, Rick and Daryl meetings. She knew about the abuse so, I’m guessing she has more surveillance equipment than people know. Her husband built the wall so if you install cameras often enough, you can scope out the entirety of Alexandria.
Jeremy: Yeah good call on that part. I am guessing Nicholas knew as well since he stole Rick’s gun. He may not be as clueless as Glenn expected. I figure Nicholas will end horribly or kill someone to prove he belongs. It is clear though there is a group outside and will eventually make its way to Alexandria. Any guess as to how Enid plays in to it. The show as basically told its audience not to trust anyone knew.
Kevin: Who the hell is Enid?
Jeremy: Carl’s fling, the wall jumper.
Kevin: Oh, I didn’t even bother to look up her name on iMDB. I’m going to guess Deanna knows about her trips outside of the wall. I was waiting for what looked like a gruesome death because that always happens when anything remotely happy happens.
Jeremy: Yeah, it was nice to see Carl have something to do other than hold a baby. Also gives the show something new to explore with them being teenagers. Carl has got to be going a little crazy right now.
Kevin: It dawn on me how old he was in that segment. The fact that he didn’t kiss her as a zombie appeared in the tree opening was a surprise to me. Why did the tree hide them? Can’t the zombies smell them?
Jeremy: Yeah that seems to be one of those things. Maybe the rotting tree covered it.
Kevin: I’m not sure they have a big part to play in this drama though. You need some secondary stories to keep things moving along and to remind us that people still are yearning for things to go back to normal.
Jeremy: So you are saying she is on the up and up? Guessing shr is fodder for Carl to lose another person close to him.
Kevin: I didn’t suspect her as a mole inside of the Group. Carl doesn’t have any power in the Group so I’m not sure why he needs to be infiltrated. You should stop beating around the, ahem, bush and tell me what you think.
Jeremy: I am going with an insider for an outside group. Guess we will know, maybe, next week. Do we need to talk about Sasha? Or the fact Michonne knocked Rick out?
Kevin: I’m not sure Sasha really needs to be talked about though she will be example #1 of why The Group should leave. I think she even tops Rick. Michonne knocking out Rick was certainly unexpected. Michonne seemed like she was ready to go back to killing zombies instead of being inside the walls then does the exact opposite once she got back inside.
Jeremy: I think her actions were to stop Rick from possibly shooting. He kept swinging the gun around and we have all seen Pulp Fiction.They also are the two head dogs. So while I didn’t see it coming it made sense. Poor Sasha, girl has no character for most of the series and now has PTSD.
Kevin: The best part of that part of the show to me was Rosita showing some personality. As much as Abraham has been somewhat buried recently, we got to know his character from the start. Rosita has been around longer but has been a blank slate. There I ago again just not typing about Sasha and her excellent marksmanship.
Jeremy: Well Sasha does offer that much. As much of a dead shot as she may be her reloading skills are for crap. This episode may have been the most of Rosita we have gotten, which means bad things a coming.
Kevin: They still have some cast to cut down on so that wouldn’t surprise me. Sasha might be on the chopping block too just because of her irrationality.
Jeremy: btu with a shot liek that she may be ok unless they blow up the tower. So before we end this weeks convo, here’s a conundrum. WrestleMania or Walking Dead? What show are you watching live?
Kevin: I almost always watch Walking Dead on the DVR but I may be 2 screening it. We’re going to get long entrances for Wrestlemania, sounds like a perfect time to watch a segment or two. Walking Dead being 90 minutes is going to be interesting too. I can’t remember if they’ve ever gone that long except maybe early on.
Jeremy: Nope this is a first. Most of their season finales needed a 90 in treament but never got it. So I suppose this means big things are in store.
Kevin: I take it since the line up isn’t strong, you’re going Walking Dead first?
Jeremy: Oh of course. What event is bigger on social media? I am nto having my night spoiled.