Jeremy: Speaking of good shows; was that the best season finale for Walking Dead?
Kevin: I was going to repeat what you said last week, did I just watch 90 minutes of wheels spinning?
Jeremy: See it accomplished something that has been going on for the duration of the show. Morgan finally met back up with Rick.
Kevin: The show even ended with Rick giving the same speech he gave last week at the end of the show. Morgan had a chance to leave with Rick like 3 seasons ago but didn’t. Fuck him.
Jeremy: He didn’t say ” how many of you do I have to kill to save your life?”
Fantastic line. I get the feeling we are going to differ in this episode.
Kevin: One new line. That makes it so much better than last week? You’d be pissed if a wrestler came out and cut the same promo back to back weeks but it’s okay because it’s on The Walking Dead?
Jeremy: Excuse me, I am a Bray Wyatt fan after all. Wat made it different this time for me is the entire group spends time explaining how Rick is different than his outburst. Hell Carol have him a plan and he walks in with a dead walker and tells him he isn’t sorry. Then calmly explains his point and says he will kill them all if need be. How fantastic is that?
Kevin: I don’t think Rick is wrong. Unlike Woodbury, Alexandria seems blissfully unaware of zombies. That seems to be a head scratcher to me considering that zombies seem to be rampant. Rick dumping one down in front of “everybody” was what they needed to jolt them into reality. I put “everybody” in quotations because after watching that scene, The Group seems to make up half or more of Alexandria.
Jeremy: Yeah I noticed a very minimal presence of natives. The group was even missing people as well. Their numbers shrank too which is the catalyst for Deanna changing. Poor Reb. He had to go though since he was still hoping words would work in this situation. On a side note, the former foreman of the construction crew is annoying. he wants his family to be safe but he had no issue handing over authority to Abraham after 30 minutes.
Kevin: The foreman didn’t want to kill the zombies either. Good way to keep your family alive, let them be eaten by zombies! Now that is a decent question to ask, though I’m pretty sure I know the answer, Rick shot Reg so he didn’t become a zombie, right? He didn’t shot Pete who caused the mess.
Jeremy: Hmm, I thought the obvious that Rick shot Pete. Never occurred to me it could have been Reg. I took the final scene to be Deanna giving in to Rick and letting him kill Pete. I would gather Reg would be getting the knife to the back of the head.
Kevin: It could have just been the way the scene was shot, but Rick appeared to have the gun aimed down so I figured it was Reg. The reasoning of that scene though as you note, is for Rick to shot Pete.
Jeremy: Poor Pete got offed in front of his wife too. Pete being killed though creates a problem. They lost their doctor. Yes he was an abuser and now a problem but he was beyond rehabilitation? I guess you cant trust a doctor any longer in that state? I ask becuase Tara is still out and Glen is coming back with a gunshot wound.
Kevin: Deanna should have recruited a psychologist who helped the first time around, so claimed Jessie. Pete had refused to treat Tara earlier in the episode and he seemed dead set against having The Group in town so he needed to be dealt with. I’m not sure he would have helped Glenn considering he got into quite a bloody fight with Nicholas.
Jeremy: The show was a bit annoying in logic. Daryl and Aaron clear the walkers out easy enough by stabbing them through the fence. Unlike Glen when he had the chance and Noah died. then Glenn goes and lets Nicholas live even though he has routinely been wrong abou letting people live.
Kevin: The one thing I took from Glenn keeping Nicholas alive was one of the same things I got from Rick’s speech. The Alexandria people view the Group as hostile, but they’re not unless necessary. Glenn didn’t kill him because it showed The Group was trying help Alexandria not take it over. The plan did unfold much better without violence which seemed to be the plan at the top of the show. Rick killed a zombie and was bloody, but again, didn’t hurt anyone in the town until he offed Pete.
Jeremy: See if a guy tries to kill me by shooting me, then dumping walkers on me and leaving me for the dead; you don’t get a third opportunity. I was expecting Glenn to pull the baseball bat out and smash his head which would have been a welcome end. Seriously, the rat faced bastard deserves it. He is beyond helping.
Kevin: Ha. I agree with you but I’m trying to smooth out their logic. Glenn knew the meeting was that night so maybe he thought it’d helps Rick’s case. Glenn is one tough bastard gutting out that gun shot wound to win a fight.
Jeremy: Getting host, having the wound punctured with Nicholas’ finger then fighting off the walkers. I think if Nicholas doesn’t admit to being a total coward then Glen kills him. Glenn is still allowing himself to have compassion. It is something most of the group doesn’t have any longer.
Kevin: I would say that Daryl still does too. He was ready to get out of the car with Aiden to be the bait. Morgan spared them. He is quite the machine with his staff. We might need to start calling him Donatello.
Jeremy: You mean Aaron, Aiden was Deanna’s dead son. It was an interesting decision and part of it comes from talking Dead, Daryl didn’t think he would die I bet. Norman Reedus said as much as well. When he offered to get out first I just felt that is was more for effect than anything. Daryl could handle the walkers far better than Aaron could have so it made sense.
Morgan turning Jedi was rather stark. It was nice of them to explain how he was tracking them at least.
Kevin: I wasn’t too worried about them getting out of the situation myself. It did make more sense though for both of them to go at the same time than at different times. Aaron is definitely not the pansy that good ole Nic is even if he may not be as bad ass as Daryl. Morgan is still a bit of a mystery to me because I didn’t watch the start of the series well. I saw him holed up in the one town Rick visited but Morgan seemed broken down there. Was he not a fighter previously? He took out two people at the top the show just to show he was up for a challenge.
Jeremy: Morgan was a regular dude before. So his breakdown in “Clear” was so surprising. Apparently something happened in between which may or my not be shown next season.I am all for a male Michonne with the ninja skills. Now here is the thing, weren;t the two guys he beat up and left in the car the same two at the end tossing ole Little Red Riding Hood in the fence to be turned?
Kevin: You know what, I’m not sure. I do still have it on tape so I can re-watch but that does us no good. Their set up is my favorite by far. It was my high light of the show when they turned on the dance music to get the Walkers back into the produce trucks.
Jeremy: Yeah only Zombies can get in to that garbage , I get the feeling there was a bit of a statement there. I found the walkers hanging in the trucks rather frightening. They were clearly alive and left to lure the walkers in order to lock them up.
Kevin: Yep, that was another aspect of the set up that I liked. It is also a very tempting target for people to want to break into. Everyone is scavenging for food. Make it look like nothing has hit the complex and then spring a trap. Of course, I don’t get not watching the trap being sprung. It’s a cool set up to kill people but what other benefit does it have?
Jeremy: At least Daryl was tipped off there was an issue. Aaron is just happy to see food trucks. This episode did give us the return of Daryl and his terrible inappropriately loud motorcycle.
Kevin: Even if it looked like a large child’s motorcycle with extra large tires.
Jeremy: I think it will be better for off roading.
Kevin: I do agree on that front. Daryl has been kind of invisible this part of the season really. Nice to see him back in a commanding position. Did any of those zombies they encounter have the W on them?
Jeremy: I couldn’t tell since all of them did. It was really subtle. Much like my sarcasm.
Kevin: I was starting to get tired at that point in the evening. Watching after Wrestlemania probably wasn’t the best time to try and soak all of that in. If it’s that noticeable though, why hasn’t anyone said anything? Everyone has seen it. I do recall the walkers attacking Glenn had it, I wasn’t sure about the one Rick killed. I honestly expected Rick to question Deanna about what it meant since he had looked at the W earlier this season.
Jeremy: They mentioned it earlier in this half season but since the walker have been attacking them. Not the time to notice I suppose. This is one benchmark of the series that goes unnoticed. With the passage of time between episodes it is reliable to think they discuss these things. Much like Maggie must have told the group about Gabrielle. Not one of them seemed fazed but the reveal form Deanna.
Kevin: We need more show then because I just think people are idiots because it isn’t talked about enough. I know we’ve been over the passage of time thing a number of times but I don’t think that way watching the show. I thought the Gabriel story line was going to be more compelling but it wasn’t to me.
Jeremy: Yes, seeing him whine about and then flirt with suicide by walker and then dare Sasha sounds impressive in print. Not so much on viewing.
Kevin: Even Sasha’s break down sounds impressive, but they didn’t give it enough time and she’s such a side character. Too many people were freaking out in a similar PTSD manner.
Jeremy: It is a totally understandable thing. The problem is the symptoms and people breaking down are all coming at same time.
Kevin: That’s why I thought of the time part first. She’s the third person on the list having the problems. You’re never going to get a lot of camera time when you’re third in whatever. Even Maggie got pushed to the side even if they brought up how much she had lost. Maggie was more of an important character in the fire side chat with FDR but not by much.
Jeremy: Yes true but the one person who we probably never got to see breakdown has turned in to the best character on the series, yes I am talking about Carol. her dressing down of Pete was an out loud cheering moment.
Kevin: If the trap was my favorite part, that was my second favorite part. The fact that she brought him food so that she’d look less cunty made it even more amusing to me.
Jeremy: her cool explanation of how she could kill him was great. Mellisa McBride said on Talking Dead she was basically talking to Ed at that point since she never got that chance. In that context it is way heavier. Also her handling of Rick when he finally woke up was another strong point. I know people love Daryl but Carol is just way better.
Kevin: I think the ladies like Daryl more so he gets plenty of love. Guys may like Carol’s actions and character, but looks wise, she isn’t on Norman Reedus’s level. I didn’t say it that far back, but Daryl hasn’t had much to do in Alexandria. Sure, he’s become buddies with Aaron and his boy toy and gotten a bike back but that’s more superficial stuff. Carol’s been in a far more intriguing drama with Rick, Jesse, Pete and their son. It brings up her abusive past and a problem in their new paradise.
Jeremy: Yeah and it wasn’t like her character needed much more anyway. It has also squelched all the talk of her and Daryl hooking up as well but this episode gave way to a little Michonne Rick chemistry I didn’t notice before.
Kevin: I feel like I had noticed it a while back but it was short lived. Michonne has been a de facto baby sitter for both Carl & Judith. We all know what happens to baby sitters when the parents get back. I think I might have my film genres mixed up.
Jeremy: yes you may because I am not sure what you are getting at. babysitters usually either get high or laid and then die. Don’t think Michonne qualifies. Out side of Abraham, and Eugene making amends much like the season I think we are at an end/
Kevin: You’ve never watched a porn where the baby sitter gets shared with the parents? That’s what I’m getting at. I do think you’re right, we’re at an end because everything else included their make up was window dressing to full the 90 minutes.
Jeremy: Wait if we are going to talk babysitter porn I think we have a topic to carry us over to next season.