Jeremy: So what little I saw of raw, I am at that “I don’t care” point.
Kevin: I forgot what happened already except for the burial of Dolph Ziggler.
Jeremy: “Aww shucks guys thanks a lot aww geez.” YUCK!
Kevin: Yep, showing off
Jeremy: Welp golly gee. Roman Reigns” Brass ring…..just hand it to me even though I can’t talk for shit just like Cesaro….is that irony?
Kevin: It is irony. It also shows you how fickle Vince can be. I know the ladies love Reigns but that is the only difference between Cesaro & him.
Jeremy: Reigns has those eyes my friend. Panties disintegrate. So this Miz/Sandow thing, why has no one asked the obvious? If Mizdow is the stunt double he should never tag out unless the peril is over. He should take every bump and Miz gets the tag in for the pin
Kevin: Because it’s much funnier to see him injure himself
Jeremy: Ahh OK. It wouldn’t hurt for Miz to say he can do some of the easier stunts, just to make it work a tad better.
Kevin: They did use Mizdow in the ring more right when the gimmick started but they have gotten away from that because it is more fun to tease the audience for his tag in than it is to have a coherent position in their own story.
Jeremy: Yes and i noticed the “moneymaker” gimmick is gone as well
Kevin: The Miz references it from time to time but it is dead. At least for a change they recognized a gimmick wasn’t working and dropped it.
Jeremy: Loved Big Show acting like a heel, only to have him get bitched out 5 min later
or throwing Harper and Rowan against each other with no fanfare. Seth Rollins vs Dolph because, um, why not?
Kevin: But Big Show went over at the end of the night so he’s definitely going to win at TLC.
Erick Rowan is in big trouble. You act like Harper & Rowan were in a family together that broke up for no apparent reason other than the WWE’s terrible booking.
Jeremy: They were set free god dammit. Pay attention. It maikes perfect sense. It was the logical conclusion to the story. Well, as long as you skip the entire middle of the story.
Kevin: Seth Rollins needed revenge on Dolph for pinning him at Survivor Series which no one has still said on TV. Dolph “Golly Gee” Ziggler may as well have his testicles removed on TV because it’d be less painful to watch than what is currently happening.
Jeremy: You have just given him his new nickname. TM that shit.
Kevin: Sorry, wrote that before your answer about Harper/Rowan. You brought up too many mockable moments. I was already thinking that should be a permanent nickname. I’ll submit it for review to the TM people.
Jeremy: Luke sees Obi-Wan die by Vader’s hands, Luke burns Vader. The end. Vince claims they are in the entertainment business but, well, um, hey boss…..we don’t entertain at all. So what business does that leaves us in?
Kevin: Brutal TV. Everyone could see Seth Green thinking to himself “Family Guy hasn’t fallen this far off the cliff.”
Jeremy: He is kind of a smug guy anyway so it had to be a difficult time during that.
Kevin: He does seem that way. I enjoyed the Robot Chicken Christmas Special after Raw. It didn’t quite wash away all the poor stuff that happened though.
Jeremy: The joys of watching on DVR and reading.
Kevin: I caught up for the main event which was good timing. Allowed me to buzz thru the nominees phase of all the useless Slammy awards. Hey Dolph, you had the best moment of the year booting the Authority. Congrats you have a Slammy and no air time since it happened!
Have fun trying to figure out the writing staff like Cesaro!
Jeremy: WRONG! He was right there going gee golly the next day after Cena allowed him to talk
then he had the big win in the main event oh that was Cena, never mind.
Kevin: I’d be fine with the Slammys if they meant something. I mean, other than getting over Roman Reigns. I guess everyone forgot about Daniel Bryan making everyone go bananas at Wrestlemania.
Jeremy: OK but he was done right after. It should have been match of the year but whatever. treating them like they are real is a mistake. I did it myself.
Kevin: I know they’re not real but they could be used to further your agenda. I don’t feel like the WWE did that much. Fandango ran down Jericho and Rollins accepted Sting’s award. Along with the pushing of Reigns, those were the only three moments that furthered an agenda.
Jeremy: Yeah the Fandango thing was weird. No one is clamoring for a rehash of that feud
Kevin: That’s a reminder that Jericho isn’t always right when he sees a guy coming up and thinks they’re great. Fandango has done what he could with very limited gimmicks. Before this, he was bad pun guy.
Jeremy: yeah, according to Jericho they asked him to work with him. He did what he could. of course what gets laughed at now is the crowd singing the Fandango theme song and it going to #1 on iTunes. he was going further than he should but of course got a concussion and they killed him
Kevin: And another instance of the WWE forcing a heel label on him when people wanted to dance around. Make him a face. He’s a comedy act. Just because Vince thinks dancers are pretentious, doesn’t mean you go against the crowd. You can’t cave all the time but that one made sense to me.
Jeremy: You give him a “hot” chick as well. She didnt act bitchy at all so crowd didnt hate her. Crowd also being bored didn’t help. If the product was engaging they wouldn’t entertain themselves.
Kevin: I don’t see anything wrong with getting the crowd involved. You can enjoy a product and dance along with someone. You just need to save that stuff for good guys.
Jeremy: No the crowd being involved because they are behind someone or the gimmick is good. When they go off the rails because they are bored it isn’t. Most times I think they are just bored.
they cant even muster a Cena sucks chant any longer
Kevin: I would argue that they enjoyed the Fandango act so they started dancing not because they were bored. The last few weeks, the crowds have been dead and mostly because they’re bored.
Jeremy: Last few weeks? I would argue months.
Kevin: You’re right, we’re getting to the months stage but it’s still only been about 2-3 for the bad crowds. The WWE had a nice run after WM. Summerslam was when the brakes started to hit. The crowd noise didn’t start to die until the writing had been bad for about a month.
Jeremy: Yep, the lack of crowd noise is so uncomfortable as well.
Kevin: I did get a laugh when Chinese Kevin asked me if the WWE was going into Christmas break. I told him I wished. I’m not sure that’d solve all of the bad writing though.
Jeremy: Don’t they usually tape the end of years shows in back to back nights? could be what they need
Kevin: I think Dot Net noted that there was a bunch of tapings last night. Not sure what exactly because I didn’t care enough to click on the link.
Jeremy: would rather read about the tapings than watch the crappy shows right now
Kevin: I can’t blame you for that. If only turning off the show would solve the problems.
Jeremy: If enough people do, maybe? But still feel like excuses will be made and blame placed on the helpless talent.